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Clarifying Disney titles' publishers and imprints

Postby mikebo » Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:59 am

Soda wrote:Since I got my hands on a couple of Gladstone and Walt Disney Publication's Disney comics I could update several things:

- I added all the creators, stories and characters on the issues I had at hand (bummer that I didn't have more as basically all issues are skeleton data only. Meh)
- I renamed "Uncle Scrooge" to "Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge" for both Gemstone and the Disney series as it is written this way in the indicia (can't confirm it for the other ones so I left them as they were)
- I completely removed Gemstone as a publisher and added it as an imprint of The Bruce Hamilton Company on ALL issues (what a hassle!)
- while I were at it I also removed "Hamilton (USA - 1950)" as a publisher, added the "Hamilton Comics" imprint and switched all issues (like "Power Rangers") to this.

Some questions remain:
- Why are "Uncle Scrooge" and "Donald Duck" divided into several series depending on the publisher while "Walt Disney's Comics and Stories" is only one series despite the publisher changing quite some times? Can't those be merged? It's rather annoying if you have to look which series you need when adding an issue that has been reprinted to a new entry.

- What should happen with the "Disney" series? Some are filed under W.D. Publications, some uner Disney comics. According to the indicia on the comics I have, Disney Comics is only used on the cover, while the indicia names the publisher as "Walt Disney Publications" (don't know where W.D. Publications comes from) which is a susidiary of The Walt Disney Company, so "W.D. Publications" would be an imprint, right? Which means removing "Disney Comics" and using "Walt Disney Company" as publisher and "Walt Disney Publications" as the imprint. Would that be okay? Has somebody additional information on this?

Oh, and those two series would have to be merged:
http://www.comicbookdb.com/title.php?ID=9614
http://www.comicbookdb.com/title.php?ID=11931
The series is named "Walt Disney's Donald Duck" in the indicia.


You meant to say that you completely removed Gladstone as publisher, not Gemstone, right? Thanks for sorting that all out though. For future reference, I believe Chris can make a batch edit to publishers and imprints. Just send him a message with the title(s), span of issues and what they need to be changed to.

I imagine the Scrooge and Donald titles were split, at least in part, because some had the leading title "Walt Disney's..." and others didn't. I wasn't a participant of the database from its beginning, but I understand that early in its history when a series switched companies, a new title was created even if the indicia title remained the same. That point of view later changed, and titles were merged. Some of the more complex titles like the Disney series and Tarzan haven't been merged yet. WDC&S has an earlier title index number than the Scrooge and Donald titles though, so it was either a fluke or it's already been merged. We need to gather information regarding indicia titles and publisher/imprints (like you provided) to correct them all. It's on a huge list of "projects" I'm working on for the site, but I don't have access to many physical copies of those series myself, so it hasn't been a top priority. If we can put all that together, we can start merging where appropriate.

As to your question about the various Disney publishers, Disney has tried publishing itself several times under different publishing arms. I don't know if they used a new company name every time, or they may have even published under different companies simultaneously at times. The various publishers should not be switched to imprints of a catch all "Disney" publisher. A subsidiary does not equal an imprint. This is the reason that DC Comics is not an imprint of Time Warner, or Marvel now an imprint of Disney's. There are undoubtedly issues indexed under the wrong publisher and/or imprint though which need to be fixed. There may be some publishers that are indeed imprints that should be linked under the same publishing arm. I have never seen "Disney Comics" anywhere but on the cover like you, and believe it to be an imprint (but of which publisher?), but I don't know for a fact that it was not an actual publisher sometime. I have seen "W.D. Publications" listed as publisher in the indicia, however. When the publisher/imprint mess is sorted out, we could put some links to the various identities in each of the publisher notes to help direct people.

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Re: What have you updated lately?

Postby Soda » Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:37 am

mikebo wrote:You meant to say that you completely removed Gladstone as publisher, not Gemstone, right?


Oops. Yes, of course.

For future reference, I believe Chris can make a batch edit to publishers and imprints. Just send him a message with the title(s), span of issues and what they need to be changed to.


Oh cool. That would save a lot of time. Thanks. :)

I imagine the Scrooge and Donald titles were split, at least in part, because some had the leading title "Walt Disney's..." and others didn't. I wasn't a participant of the database from its beginning, but I understand that early in its history when a series switched companies, a new title was created even if the indicia title remained the same. That point of view later changed, and titles were merged. Some of the more complex titles like the Disney series and Tarzan haven't been merged yet. WDC&S has an earlier title index number than the Scrooge and Donald titles though, so it was either a fluke or it's already been merged. We need to gather information regarding indicia titles and publisher/imprints (like you provided) to correct them all. It's on a huge list of "projects" I'm working on for the site, but I don't have access to many physical copies of those series myself, so it hasn't been a top priority. If we can put all that together, we can start merging where appropriate.


Ah, I see. I'll try to get my hand on some issues of those as well then in the hope to provide more information. :)

As to your question about the various Disney publishers, Disney has tried publishing itself several times under different publishing arms. I don't know if they used a new company name every time, or they may have even published under different companies simultaneously at times. The various publishers should not be switched to imprints of a catch all "Disney" publisher.


Oh, this wan't my intend at all. I was strictly refering to the Walt Disney Company/W.D. Publications/Disney Comics mess from the 90ties.
I know that there is the "Disney Book Group" (with its imprints "Hyperion Books" and "Disney Press" - will have to sort that out eventually as well, IIRC both exist as own publishers but they are stated as imprints in the indicias) or that "Disney Comics" is now also an imprint of Marvel (ironic, isn't it?) and I wasn't suggesting to lump them all together as they are in fact different companies/imprints/whatever IMO.
What I meant is that e.g. there is a series (let's say "Donald Duck" as a fictional example) and number #23 is listed under "W.D. Publications", numbers 24-27 are listed under "Disney Comics" and numbers 28-29 are listed under "W.D. Publications" again (and so on). I'd like to straighten that out.

A subsidiary does not equal an imprint. This is the reason that DC Comics is not an imprint of Time Warner, or Marvel now an imprint of Disney's.


While I'm in favor of this (and also that even though Marvel changed it's name several times - Marvel Comics, Marvel Entertainment, Marvel Characters Inc. - it remains as only "Marvel") we would maybe need a guideline for this, especially in the case of Random House and its various subsidiaries (Del Rey, Villard Books, Heyne et al).

I have seen "W.D. Publications" listed as publisher in the indicia, however.


Can you maybe recall where? I'd be interested in finding out. Maybe they just abbreviated the name at some point?

When the publisher/imprint mess is sorted out, we could put some links to the various identities in each of the publisher notes to help direct people.


Sounds like a good idea. :)

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Re: What have you updated lately?

Postby mikebo » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:14 pm

What are the cover dates for the issues you mention that identify "Walt Disney Publications" as the publisher in the indicia?

I've found "W.D. Publications, Inc." listed in these titles so far:
http://www.comicbookdb.com/title.php?ID=11127

http://www.comicbookdb.com/title.php?ID=9651 - only issue #1. Issues #2-4 state "Walt Disney Magazine Publishing Group, Inc., a subsidiary of The Walt Disney Company". For reference, the change occurred with issue #2, cover dated March of 1992.

http://www.comicbookdb.com/title.php?ID=12733 - issues #6-19. Issues #1-5 state "Walt Disney Publications, Inc., a subsidiary of the Walt Disney Company". Issue #6 is cover dated November 1990.

http://www.comicbookdb.com/title.php?ID=13821 - issues #6-18. Issues #1-5 state "Walt Disney Publications, Inc., a subsidiary of the Walt Disney Company". Issue #6 is cover dated November 1990.

http://www.comicbookdb.com/title.php?ID=10010 - issues #7-18. Issues #1-6 state "Walt Disney Publications, Inc., a subsidiary of the Walt Disney Company". Issue #7 is cover dated December 1990.

http://www.comicbookdb.com/title.php?ID=17379

http://www.comicbookdb.com/title.php?ID=10613

http://www.comicbookdb.com/title.php?ID=5411

http://www.comicbookdb.com/title.php?ID=15309

http://www.comicbookdb.com/title.php?ID=15308

It should be noted that editorials and letter column addresses in these titles use "Disney Comics".

I added the publisher data to the title notes. I imagine other series from June 1990 - February 1992 will be similar.


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