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Diamond Boxes on Marvel Comics

Postby FloatingHead » Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:04 am

I am new here and not sure whether to add a variant to Amazing Spider-Man #186. The issue already listed on the site is a newsstand edition with a starburst price box and regular barcode. My copy is the direct edition with diamond shaped price box and the barcode is blank. Some people consider them variants, others do not.

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Re: Diamond Boxes on Marvel Comics

Postby Soda » Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:13 am

I'd say go ahead. Several issues are already listed in the database with both editions.

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Re: Diamond Boxes on Marvel Comics

Postby mikebo » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:14 pm

I agree.

Soda wrote:I'd say go ahead. Several issues are already listed in the database with both editions.

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Re: Diamond Boxes on Marvel Comics

Postby FloatingHead » Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:09 pm

Soda wrote:I'd say go ahead. Several issues are already listed in the database with both editions.



Thanks, I browsed around and found a couple....but, egads!, found that they were added in different ways. One was designated <Diamond Variant>, Fantastic Four #245, and the other, <Whitman Publishing Variant> for Defenders #48. Is there any preference for calling them one or the other? I like the simplicity of Diamond Variant myself.

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Re: Diamond Boxes on Marvel Comics

Postby mikebo » Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:38 pm

Whitman Variant is what's most commonly used, I think.

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Diamond Boxes on Marvel Comics - Whitman / Direct Market

Postby aaronmoish » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:23 am

I've noticed some books are being added to the database as Whitman, when they're actually direct market editions.
If the cover has a starburst price box with a diamond inside and a blank UPC (ala the variant added for Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #186 - http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=259146), then it is a Whitman variant.
If the cover has a black price box with a diamond inside and a slash though the UPC code (ala the variant added for Incredible Hulk (1968) #238 - http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=259417, then it is a direct market edition, not Whitman.

Here's a good article with examples of the differences: http://allaboutbooksandcomics.com/wp/ask-the-professor-marvel-cover-variants/

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Re: Diamond Boxes on Marvel Comics

Postby mikebo » Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:37 pm

Fixed.

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Re: Diamond Boxes on Marvel Comics - Whitman / Direct Market

Postby FloatingHead » Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:32 pm

aaronmoish wrote:I've noticed some books are being added to the database as Whitman, when they're actually direct market editions.


Oops, guilty. Thanks for the info and feedback. New ones I add will reflect this update to my knowledge.

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Re: Diamond Boxes on Marvel Comics

Postby FloatingHead » Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:17 pm

I don't see any way to correct this on my own, so here is a list of the issues I added that should be CORRECTED from Whitman to Direct


And here are some that I am still unsure of...

Regular barcode, diamond box, no starburst. Are these *early* direct editions?


Blank barcode, diamond box, no starburst


Is the starburst the definitive identifier of a Whitman copy?

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Re: Diamond Boxes on Marvel Comics

Postby mikebo » Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:30 pm

Edited your list down to just the ones I hadn't already corrected...

I don't see any way to correct this on my own, so here is a list of the issues I added that should be CORRECTED from Whitman to Direct

The Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #170, http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=259143


I believe this should be in the group below of uncertainties.

And here are some that I am still unsure of...

Regular barcode, diamond box, no starburst. Are these *early* direct editions?

The Avengers (1963) #163, http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=259187
The Incredible Hulk (1968) #212, http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=259339
The Incredible Hulk (1968) #214, http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=259340


Blank barcode, diamond box, no starburst

Fantastic Four (1961) #194, http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=259336
The Incredible Hulk (1968) #223, http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=259415


All of these are from 1977-78. According to the linked article, the blank barcodes appear to be limited to Whitman editions so I think the last two are OK. Since the previous four are from the same time frame, I think we can deduce that they are early direct editions. Unless anyone has any examples of Whitman editions that do have barcodes, in which case your guess is as good as mine as to what they are.

Is the starburst the definitive identifier of a Whitman copy?


No, I don't believe so. It's my understanding that Whitman editions and early direct market editions filled in whatever shape was in that space on the newstand issue with black and then had the diamond applied on top of it. So black starbursts are only present if there was a starburst on the newstand edition like the Thor example in the article aaronmoish linked to.

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Re: Diamond Boxes on Marvel Comics

Postby FloatingHead » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:44 am

The Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #170, http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=259143

I believe this should be in the group below of uncertainties.


Good catch, thanks.

Unless anyone has any examples of Whitman editions that do have barcodes, in which case your guess is as good as mine as to what they are.


I have been doing a bit of googling on this and it seems like a lot of people are guessing because there is no definitive authority on the subject; however, I did find a site showing an unopened Star Wars Whitman pack where the comics have both a blank barcode and a regular barcode. Also, shows many examples of comics within a Whitman 3-pack that have a slash through the barcode, http://www.bipcomics.com/showcase/StarW ... index.html

just for fun, also a link, from bipcomics again, showing the four different types of variations, http://www.bipcomics.com/showcase/Direct/index.cfm

The question is...Were the comics with blank barcodes distributed ONLY in 3-packs and is that why they are considered true Whitman Variants. I read that the ones printed with blank barcodes were done so expressly for the purpose of being put directly into Whitman 3-packs, so that makes sense to me. And since it seems to be anybody's guess, I can easily roll with adding the ones that have blank barcodes as the true Whitman Variants and all the other ones as Direct Editions. If nobody else objects, that is the way I'll add them from now on.

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Re: Diamond Boxes on Marvel Comics

Postby übernot » Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:26 am

I must say I really appreciate the interest in this topic. However, I really don't like designating a sales market printing with changes only to the UPC box as a "variant". I understand we have very little recourse, and as far as priorities go this one is pretty low, and again I really appreciate people taking the interest and working towards a complete database.

What I'd love to see is a way to link from a single regular issue of a comic with variations in sales market/UPC and title box/price (to account for things such as different currency depending upon the country in which the comic was being sold) if the cover art has not changed. The link would take you to a small picture of the UPC or title box so the user could see the difference. Of course, you would be able to add a UPC/title box difference in your collection just like any other issue.

Then I could go off on how I wish variant covers did not have their own issue entry in the database but rather just a link to a Covers table and allow the user to add a cover to a collection, but now I'm really going too far and I'll stop now.

Keep up the great work, guys. Maybe someday I'll come around and go through my collection of newsstand/direct market "variants".

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Re: Diamond Boxes on Marvel Comics

Postby Uthor » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:34 pm

übernot wrote:I must say I really appreciate the interest in this topic. However, I really don't like designating a sales market printing with changes only to the UPC box as a "variant". I understand we have very little recourse, and as far as priorities go this one is pretty low, and again I really appreciate people taking the interest and working towards a complete database.


I'm not expert in this, but it sounds like, to me, that there are collectors interested in these changes and differences. That alone makes creating a "variant" entry worth the trouble.


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